bugFree UCS Outline Fonts - Bugs: bug #39551, Greek kerning


bug #39551: Greek kerning

Submitted by:  Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>
Submitted on:  Mon Jul 22 19:14:41 2013  
Category: individual character(s)Severity: 3 - Normal
Item Group: letter positioning poorStatus: Fix posted
Privacy: PublicAssigned to: Steve White <Stevan_White>
Open/Closed: OpenRelease: 2012-05-03

Add a New Comment (Rich MarkupRich Markup):

You are not logged in

Please log in, so followups can be emailed to you.


(Jump to the original submission Jump to the original submission)

Tue Dec 8 13:09:23 2015, comment #17:

Hello Steve,

This word really need kerning. As my observe, FreeSerif should make a very small adjustment to make alpha closer.

(file #35663)

Hsing-yen He <hammerandsickle>
Tue Dec 8 08:09:08 2015, comment #16:

Hello Hsiing-yen,

I don't understand your remark. I checked, and neither Serif normal nor italic has such an entry. Then I made a test page with this word, and to my eye, it doesn't need kerning. See attachment.

(file #35660)

Steve White <Stevan_White>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Tue Dec 8 06:41:38 2015, comment #15:

In the word Παν, there is an entry for kerning between pi and alpha.

Hsing-yen He <hammerandsickle>
Tue Oct 27 02:13:59 2015, comment #14:

The eta in italic has excessive space on the right side.
The combination of Alpha and theta deserves to be kerned.

Steve White <Stevan_White>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Mon Oct 26 17:06:35 2015, comment #13:

Sorry, I don't know what you're referring to.
Please see the attached test files.

(file #35304, file #35305)

Steve White <Stevan_White>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Mon Oct 26 04:02:14 2015, comment #12:

I have found this problem one day I used FreeSerif, and I found this problem looks more clearly when I turned italic face on.

Hsing-yen He <hammerandsickle>
Fri Oct 23 20:16:42 2015, comment #11:

Which face?

Steve White <Stevan_White>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Mon Oct 19 13:31:45 2015, comment #10:

In the word Αθήνα, there's too much distance before Theta and Nu.

Hsing-yen He <hammerandsickle>
Sun Sep 22 19:12:36 2013, comment #9:

Hello Steve!

I know you still have to solve the double kerning issue, but I really had to point out this:


(file #29194)

Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>
Tue Aug 20 22:16:00 2013, comment #8:

The space before and after Capital ALPHA looks a bit too wide to me.

(file #28888)

Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>
Sun Aug 4 22:08:49 2013, comment #7:

In the word ῥητοροδιδάσκαλοι, isn't the first DELTA too close to the preceding OMICRON? Or is the second DELTA too far from ALPHA?

Let me know what you think about it.

(file #28754)

Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>
Tue Jul 30 22:21:25 2013, comment #6:

OK, I know that, I was just wondering whether it's in your plans, that's it! No need to be in a hurry, you always think I'm asking fir hot fixes but it's not the case! :)

By the way, I don't find any particular flaws in the Greek range, you're been too harsh with yourself!

Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>
Tue Jul 30 21:55:37 2013, comment #5:

Bump I already kerned it, very roughly.

I explained to you offline why it hadn't been done. Again: it takes time, nobody had asked for it, and my proofs didn't show many glaring problems (and, frankly, the Greek range of FreeSerif isn't that great anyway, especially the bold...)

To do kerning right takes me often several nights per face, and then I still find peculiarities.

And again, there is a serious kerning bug.

So as I said before, it would be best to hold off kerning for a while, until we understand what is causing the kerning-doubling bug. It's really impossible to do good kerning under the present circumstances.

Steve White <Stevan_White>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Tue Jul 30 18:53:17 2013, comment #4:

Bump! Do you plan to kern bold Greek? I don't mean to urge you to hurry up, I just want to know. Indeed, it's a big handicap, why didn't you do that in the first place? I mean, why Cyrillic bold is kerned and Greek bold not? Which has been your criterion?

Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>
Tue Jul 23 18:02:57 2013, comment #3:

May I ask you why it is not so and if you plan to kern it in the future?

Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>
Tue Jul 23 16:56:09 2013, comment #2:


Yes, in bold, I reduced the right-side bearing of kappa, and both side bearings of gamma.

Note: currently Greek is not kerned in FreeSerifBold.

Steve White <Stevan_White>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Mon Jul 22 19:16:17 2013, comment #1:

Also in the same image, to the left, there's too much space for me between GAMMA and OMICRON.

Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>
Mon Jul 22 19:14:41 2013, original submission:

The distance between KAPPA and DELTA doesn't convince me at all, it's too wide for me.

Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>


(Note: upload size limit is set to 16384 kB, after insertion of the required escape characters.)

Attach File(s):

Attached Files
file #35663:  Παν.PNG added by hammerandsickle (38kB - image/png)
file #35304:  greek-kerning.pdf added by Stevan_White (242kB - image/pdf)
file #28888:  ΒΙΟΓΡΑΦΙΕΣ.png added by rosy58 (281kB - image/png)
file #28643:  ἔκδοση.png added by rosy58 (369kB - image/png)


Depends on the following items: None found

Items that depend on this one: None found


Carbon-Copy List
  • -unavailable- added by hammerandsickle (Posted a comment)
  • -unavailable- added by Stevan_White (Posted a comment)
  • -unavailable- added by rosy58 (Submitted the item)

    Do you think this task is very important?
    If so, you can click here to add your encouragement to it.
    This task has 0 encouragements so far.

    Only logged-in users can vote.


    Please enter the title of George Orwell's famous dystopian book (it's a date):



    Follow 12 latest changes.

    Date Changed By Updated Field Previous Value => Replaced By
    Tue Dec 8 13:09:23 2015hammerandsickleAttached File-=>Added Παν.PNG, #35663
    Tue Dec 8 08:09:08 2015Stevan_WhiteAttached File-=>Added Test_Greek_kerning.html, #35660
    Mon Oct 26 18:17:04 2015hammerandsickleAttached File-=>Added Αθήνα.png, #35306
    Mon Oct 26 17:06:35 2015Stevan_WhiteAttached File-=>Added greek-kerning.pdf, #35304
      Attached File-=>Added greek_kerning.html, #35305
    Sun Sep 22 19:12:36 2013rosy58Attached File-=>Added Polytonic Greek Kerning Flaws.png, #29194
    Tue Aug 20 22:16:00 2013rosy58Attached File-=>Added ΒΙΟΓΡΑΦΙΕΣ.png, #28888
    Sun Aug 4 22:08:49 2013rosy58Attached File-=>Added ῥητοροδιδάσκαλοι.png, #28754
    Tue Jul 23 16:56:09 2013Stevan_WhiteCategoryoverall font problem=>individual character(s)
      StatusNone=>Fix posted
      Assigned toNone=>Stevan_White
    Mon Jul 22 19:14:41 2013rosy58Attached File-=>Added ἔκδοση.png, #28643

    Back to the top

    Powered by Savane 3.1-cleanup1