bugFree UCS Outline Fonts - Bugs: bug #39551, Greek kerning


bug #39551: Greek kerning

Submitted by:  Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>
Submitted on:  Mon 22 Jul 2013 07:14:41 PM UTC  
Category:  individual character(s) Severity:  3 - Normal
Item Group:  letter positioning poor Status:  Fix posted
Privacy:  Public Assigned to:  Steve White <Stevan_White>
Open/Closed:  Open Release:  2012-05-03

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Tue 08 Dec 2015 01:09:23 PM UTC, comment #17:

Hello Steve,

This word really need kerning. As my observe, FreeSerif should make a very small adjustment to make alpha closer.

(file #35663)

Hsing-yen He <hammerandsickle>
Tue 08 Dec 2015 08:09:08 AM UTC, comment #16:

Hello Hsiing-yen,

I don't understand your remark. I checked, and neither Serif normal nor italic has such an entry. Then I made a test page with this word, and to my eye, it doesn't need kerning. See attachment.

(file #35660)

Steve White <Stevan_White>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Tue 08 Dec 2015 06:41:38 AM UTC, comment #15:

In the word Παν, there is an entry for kerning between pi and alpha.

Hsing-yen He <hammerandsickle>
Tue 27 Oct 2015 02:13:59 AM UTC, comment #14:

The eta in italic has excessive space on the right side.
The combination of Alpha and theta deserves to be kerned.

Steve White <Stevan_White>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Mon 26 Oct 2015 05:06:35 PM UTC, comment #13:

Sorry, I don't know what you're referring to.
Please see the attached test files.

(file #35304, file #35305)

Steve White <Stevan_White>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Mon 26 Oct 2015 04:02:14 AM UTC, comment #12:

I have found this problem one day I used FreeSerif, and I found this problem looks more clearly when I turned italic face on.

Hsing-yen He <hammerandsickle>
Fri 23 Oct 2015 08:16:42 PM UTC, comment #11:

Which face?

Steve White <Stevan_White>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Mon 19 Oct 2015 01:31:45 PM UTC, comment #10:

In the word Αθήνα, there's too much distance before Theta and Nu.

Hsing-yen He <hammerandsickle>
Sun 22 Sep 2013 07:12:36 PM UTC, comment #9:

Hello Steve!

I know you still have to solve the double kerning issue, but I really had to point out this:


(file #29194)

Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>
Tue 20 Aug 2013 10:16:00 PM UTC, comment #8:

The space before and after Capital ALPHA looks a bit too wide to me.

(file #28888)

Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>
Sun 04 Aug 2013 10:08:49 PM UTC, comment #7:

In the word ῥητοροδιδάσκαλοι, isn't the first DELTA too close to the preceding OMICRON? Or is the second DELTA too far from ALPHA?

Let me know what you think about it.

(file #28754)

Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>
Tue 30 Jul 2013 10:21:25 PM UTC, comment #6:

OK, I know that, I was just wondering whether it's in your plans, that's it! No need to be in a hurry, you always think I'm asking fir hot fixes but it's not the case! :)

By the way, I don't find any particular flaws in the Greek range, you're been too harsh with yourself!

Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>
Tue 30 Jul 2013 09:55:37 PM UTC, comment #5:

Bump I already kerned it, very roughly.

I explained to you offline why it hadn't been done. Again: it takes time, nobody had asked for it, and my proofs didn't show many glaring problems (and, frankly, the Greek range of FreeSerif isn't that great anyway, especially the bold...)

To do kerning right takes me often several nights per face, and then I still find peculiarities.

And again, there is a serious kerning bug.

So as I said before, it would be best to hold off kerning for a while, until we understand what is causing the kerning-doubling bug. It's really impossible to do good kerning under the present circumstances.

Steve White <Stevan_White>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Tue 30 Jul 2013 06:53:17 PM UTC, comment #4:

Bump! Do you plan to kern bold Greek? I don't mean to urge you to hurry up, I just want to know. Indeed, it's a big handicap, why didn't you do that in the first place? I mean, why Cyrillic bold is kerned and Greek bold not? Which has been your criterion?

Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>
Tue 23 Jul 2013 06:02:57 PM UTC, comment #3:

May I ask you why it is not so and if you plan to kern it in the future?

Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>
Tue 23 Jul 2013 04:56:09 PM UTC, comment #2:


Yes, in bold, I reduced the right-side bearing of kappa, and both side bearings of gamma.

Note: currently Greek is not kerned in FreeSerifBold.

Steve White <Stevan_White>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Mon 22 Jul 2013 07:16:17 PM UTC, comment #1:

Also in the same image, to the left, there's too much space for me between GAMMA and OMICRON.

Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>
Mon 22 Jul 2013 07:14:41 PM UTC, original submission:

The distance between KAPPA and DELTA doesn't convince me at all, it's too wide for me.

Rosella Capriotti <rosy58>


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Attach Files:

Attached Files
file #35663:  Παν.PNG added by hammerandsickle (38KiB - image/png)
file #35306:  Αθήνα.png added by hammerandsickle (87KiB - image/png)
file #35304:  greek-kerning.pdf added by Stevan_White (242KiB - image/pdf)
file #28888:  ΒΙΟΓΡΑΦΙΕΣ.png added by rosy58 (281KiB - image/png)
file #28643:  ἔκδοση.png added by rosy58 (369KiB - image/png)


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    Follow 12 latest changes.

    Date Changed by Updated Field Previous Value => Replaced by
    2015-12-08 hammerandsickle Attached File- => Added Παν.PNG, #35663
    2015-12-08 Stevan_White Attached File- => Added Test_Greek_kerning.html, #35660
    2015-10-26 hammerandsickle Attached File- => Added Αθήνα.png, #35306
    2015-10-26 Stevan_White Attached File- => Added greek-kerning.pdf, #35304
        Attached File- => Added greek_kerning.html, #35305
    2013-09-22 rosy58 Attached File- => Added Polytonic Greek Kerning Flaws.png, #29194
    2013-08-20 rosy58 Attached File- => Added ΒΙΟΓΡΑΦΙΕΣ.png, #28888
    2013-08-04 rosy58 Attached File- => Added ῥητοροδιδάσκαλοι.png, #28754
    2013-07-23 Stevan_White Categoryoverall font problem => individual character(s)
        StatusNone => Fix posted
        Assigned toNone => Stevan_White
    2013-07-22 rosy58 Attached File- => Added ἔκδοση.png, #28643

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