Sat 08 Aug 2015 11:16:38 PM UTC, comment #21:
Hi,
yes, I finally found that, and now I see your effect.
This could be a bug in the software, but it could be they just interpret the tables slightly differently... but, why would Serif Italic behave differently from Serif Bold Italic? I do not see any difference in the font tables that would explain this.
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Sat 08 Aug 2015 08:13:58 PM UTC, comment #20:
Hi Steve,
There is a big change in the new version of BabelPad, you must choose Fonts --> List All Style of Fonts if you want to set text into italic.
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Sat 08 Aug 2015 07:20:47 PM UTC, comment #19:
Hi Hisng-yen,
OK I installed BabelPad on a virtual machine with Windows XP.
Strangely, I don't see how to set text in it to italic. I do not see FreeSerif (italic) listed in its font list, as is displayed in your image. Yet FreeSerif Italic is definitely installed on the system.
This is very interesting software though. I wish we had an free software tool like it.
In particular, it has an option, in English "Simple Rendering" or "Complex Rendering". In "Simple", all OpenType features are turned off. Are you sure you didn't accidentally set it for simple rendering when you made that image?
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Sat 08 Aug 2015 06:37:52 PM UTC, comment #18:
Hi Hsing-yen,
now I am bewildered. I looked at each of your images.
I see the vertical line placed neatly over vowels both in normal and italic face.
You said I had not implemented something in italic. What exactly do you think I didn't implement? What do you see wrong here?
In your image of Babelpad, I see no font features being applied. But I don't know: does it apply those features in FreeSerif normal face? I know little about this product. Do you have evidence that it applies OpenType features at all?
Cheers!
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Sat 08 Aug 2015 05:12:22 PM UTC, comment #17:
Hi Steve,
I have checked the font file in the system, there is no duplicate file. I'm using the most recent build of the FreeFont, which was got from Launchpad.
(file #34604, file #34605, file #34606, file #34607)
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Sat 08 Aug 2015 07:35:09 AM UTC, comment #16:
Hi Hsing-yen,
Either the different applications are seeing different versions of the font, or they are implementing the replacement and positioning tables differently. The effect in your picture could be produced either way.
Reboot the computer, remove FreeFont from the system. Double check with
dir C:\Windows\Fonts\Free*
Make sure you have the most recent build of the font, then install it.
If the effect persists, please make a screenshot of the same file, but with the CSS edited to use FreeSerif normal face.
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Sat 08 Aug 2015 03:50:04 AM UTC, comment #15:
Hi Steve,
It looks OK to me in Firefox and MS Word, but looks incorrect in BabelPed when I set FreeSerif Italic font.
(file #34594)
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Fri 07 Aug 2015 07:46:20 PM UTC, comment #14:
Hi Hsing-Yen,
It looks OK to me -- see the attached file.
Can you be more specific?
(file #34591, file #34592)
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Fri 07 Aug 2015 06:26:46 PM UTC, comment #13:
It seems to me that you're failed to impelement it in FreeSerif Italic, tested in BabelPad.
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Thu 04 Jun 2015 05:32:50 PM UTC, comment #12:
Hello Anonymous,
I have no idea what your sentence might mean.
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Thu 04 Jun 2015 12:56:50 AM UTC, comment #11:
Hi,
I got source code to build, but I found it's not proper in italic and bold italic typefaces.
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Tue 14 Apr 2015 12:58:58 PM UTC, comment #10:
Well, this issue is still appearing in italic and bold italic typefaces.
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Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:37:38 AM UTC, comment #9:
I found Chinese (Min Nan) Wikipedia, Main Page and Wikipedia:Siā-lí mn̂g-chhùi-kháu have some small typographic remark, but no i with tone 8 within it. Chinese (Hakka) Wikipedia and Puxian Min Wikipedia test wiki have small typographic remark on the Main Page, and have the same letter.
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Sat 07 Feb 2015 12:34:15 PM UTC, comment #8:
I have implemented a rule that removes the dot from the i when it is followed by this accent mark. So far only in the Serif and Sans roman faces. In SVN. I also built a snapshot which you can look at.
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Sat 07 Feb 2015 11:10:19 AM UTC, comment #7:
Very good example. I see:
in subtitle, a vertical line appears over e
goe̍h
line 6 1st word has vertical line over u
tau̍h
line 11 word has vertical line over a and i
pa̍t-mi̍h
and indeed, the mark replaces the dot over the i, and it is distinct from an i with accent.
line 12 1st word has vertical line over e
pe̍h
line 23 it appears over the o
tio̍h
Does the Wikipedia article on POJ need a small typographic remark on the i with tone 8?
I wonder: is there any other use of this vertical line, in which it does not replace the dot over the i?
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Fri 06 Feb 2015 01:17:50 PM UTC, comment #6:
Hi,
I remember I found a photo took from a page of Tâi-oân-hú-siâⁿ Kàu-hōe-pò, in this page the letter i̍ appearing from several places, such as "pa̍t-mi̍h", "pa̍t-ji̍t", "í-ki̍p". I think it is suitble for reference.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tai-Oan-Hu-Sia-Kau-Hoe-Po.jpg
By the way, some letters that is used for Pe̍h-ōe-jī should have small capital feature.
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Sun 25 Jan 2015 05:40:44 PM UTC, comment #5:
I found tailingua.com have a PDF to make an example
http://tailingua.com/resources/downloads/pojunicode.pdf
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Sun 25 Jan 2015 09:17:33 AM UTC, comment #4:
Hi, Hsing-yen,
We still have no standards document, that shows exactly what letters are in this POJ, and how they should look.
If you know of any such standard, please let us know!
We do not copy the behavior of other fonts.
Thanks!
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Fri 26 Sep 2014 10:13:27 PM UTC, comment #3:
Hi,
We really need to know what the standards say about this. We need a document. Is there a standards document for POJ?
The reason vertical line needs to be positioned over a dot in FreeFont is that we never saw it stated in any standard that it should be. (Instead, the combining marks are positioned mostly over letters of several alphabets.)
The behavior of other fonts is interesting, but not convincing.
Thanks!
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Thu 25 Sep 2014 04:26:17 AM UTC, comment #2:
Sorry for my mistake. I mean in Windows 8+ FreeSerif display i̍ as ı̇̍ (vertical line positioned over the dot), but Linux Libertine and SIL fonts do not have this bug.
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Wed 24 Sep 2014 05:20:51 PM UTC, comment #1:
Hi,
I see that the vertical line isn't positioned over the dot.
There is no rule for that in the font.
Could you please provide documentation on what letters are used in POJ?
I looked at the Wikipedia page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pe%CC%8Dh-%C5%8De-j%C4%AB
but I found no evidence of the dotless i, u+0131, being used in that page. But maybe it isn't very complete.
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Wed 24 Sep 2014 04:03:41 AM UTC, original submission:
I found POJ letter i̍ (0069 030D) have an error in FreeSerif when I compared with Linux Libertine, SIL fonts. This letter display as "dotless i + vertical line above"(ı̇̍) in Linux Libertine, SIL fonts. But in FreeSerif this letter is "i + dot + vertical line". Please fix it.
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