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task #16549: Update/Translation of education/edu-cases-italy-south-tyrol.html

Submitter:  Wensheng XIE <wxie>
Submitted:  Fri 07 Jun 2024 11:25:56 AM UTC
   
 
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Fri 11 Apr 2025 09:09:03 AM UTC, comment #3: 

Thank you, hagb.

I want to beep the original wiki link. There is link-check in the server side, and change of links will trigger error report.

Wensheng XIE <wxie>
Group administrator
Sat 05 Apr 2025 05:58:03 PM UTC, comment #2: 

Hi, wxie:

我已审阅全文一遍。抱歉,因为我个人的学业问题而拖延了很长时间。

1.

> The following information was extracted from a report submitted to us by Paolo Dongilli, Technical Inspector and Coordinator of the FUSS Project, and member of the Italian School Board of the Autonomous Province of Bolzano.
> 以下信息摘自 Paolo Dongilli 向我们提交的报告。Paolo 是 FUSS 项目的技术 观察员 和协调员,他也是 Bolzano 自治省意大利语学校董事会的成员。


此处“Inspector”译为“检查员”可能更为符合原义。

2.

> FUSS was adopted in all of the 24 primary and secondary Italian schools, ...
> FUSS 被全部24所意大利语小学和 初中 采纳,...


根据维基百科的介绍,意大利初等教育学制 Primary school 持续 5 年,Secondary education 分为两阶段,分别持续 3 年(middle school,10~14 岁)和 5 年(upper secondary school,14~19 岁),对照中国大陆学制,译为“中学”可能能让读者更容易对应上大陆学制中“同名”的阶段。

参考:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Italy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_education_in_Italy

3.

> Outside South Tyrol, FUSS is run at the &ldquo;Cornaro&rdquo; Institute in Jesolo (Venice), the &ldquo;Rodolico&rdquo; High School in Florence, and the &ldquo;Savoia-Benincasa&rdquo; Institute in Ancona.
> 在南 Tyrol 省之外,FUSS 运行在 Jsolo 的 &ldquo;Cornaro&rdquo; 研究所(威尼斯)、佛罗伦萨的 &ldquo;Rodolico&rdquo; 高中和安卡纳的 &ldquo;Savoia-Benincasa&rdquo; 研究所。


译文处 Jesolo 拼成了 Jsolo。

4.

> The use of free software in both the public and private sectors in South Tyrol had been explicitly encouraged with the launch in 2004 of an Action Plan&#8239;<a href="#ref3" id="ref3-rev"><sup>3</sup></a> that called ...
> 南 Tyrol 公立和私立学校使用自由软件的 动机 被2004年发布的一项行动计划&#8239;<a href="#ref3" id="ref3-rev"><sup>3</sup></a>所 鼓舞,它号召 ...


“鼓舞动机”的词组搭配似乎不太通顺。或许可以改为“南 Tyrol 公立和私立学校中自由软件的运用被”,或改为不使用被动语态的翻译(供参考):

> 2004年发布的一项行动计划&#8239;<a href="#ref3" id="ref3-rev"><sup>3</sup></a>鼓舞了南 Tyrol 的公立和私立学校使用自由软件。这项计划号召...


5.

> The FUSS Project team also believed (and this has been confirmed)  that free software would result in economic savings, compared to the purchase of expensive recurring licenses from vendors such as Microsoft or Apple.
> FUSS 项目团队还认为 (已经确认) 使用自由软件比从微软和苹果等公司反复购买昂贵的许可证更经济划算。


建议括号中明确体现出“认为”和“确认”的关系:

> FUSS 项目团队还认为(并已经确认)使用自由软件比从微软和苹果等公司反复购买昂贵的许可证更经济划算。


不过原文中用的“this has been confirmed that free software would...”,没有说明由谁 confirm 的。如果要把这点也保留的话可以译作

> FUSS 项目团队还认为使用自由软件比从微软和苹果等公司反复购买昂贵的许可证更经济划算(这一点已经得到证实)。


6.

> How We Did It
> 如何做到


这里的英文原文是一个名词从句,表示“We Did It”的具体方式。建议此处避免使用疑问句作为译文。比如可以考虑“实施方式”、“实施过程”或者更简短的“过程”(以和前后几个标题的长度一致)。

7.

> FUSS went into operation in September, at the beginning of the new school year (2005/2006).
> FUSS 在9月份进入运营,正值 (2005/2006) 新学年。


中国大陆学年的表达更习惯用“2005-2006”这样的方式。

8.

> Over the years, server-side services have been added. Just to name the most significant ones: Octofuss (server and user management), Octomon (technical monitoring of installations), ...
> 几年之后,服务器端的服务有所增加。这里是几个最重要的服务:Octofuss(服务器和用户管理)、Octomon( 安装过程 的技术监控)


此处的 installations 我感觉像是指设施(或者安装后的各个实例),而非安装的过程。Octomon 的项目页面 https://gitlab.fuss.bz.it/fuss/octomon 中的介绍为“Piattaforma di monitoring e asset management Octomon”(意大利语),LibreTranslate 的机翻结果是“监测和资产管理平台”和“Monitoring and asset management platform Octomon”(英语)。

9.

> Regarding the use of web (so-called &ldquo;cloud&rdquo;)  applications, the FUSS Project for years has provided teachers with the e-learning platforms Moodle and Chamilo, LimeSurvey for surveys, and Group Office as a collaboration platform. The latter was replaced with NextCloud and LibreOffice Online, to which BigBlueButton (BBB) and PeerTube were added.
> 对于网络(所谓 &ldquo;云&rdquo;)应用,FUSS 项目为教师提供了多年的电子学习平台 Moodle 和 Chamilo、 调查服务, LimeSurvey 以及协作平台 Group Office。后者被 NextCloud 和 LibreOffice Online 替换,并添加了 BigBlueButton(BBB)和 PeerTube。


译文此处似乎多了一个逗号,LimeSurvey 后少了个空格(上面的引用中我把空格加上去了以便粗体标记能生效)。

10.

> &ldquo;FUSS has given me the great opportunity to approach and learn the importance of Free Software and for that I am very grateful.&rdquo;
> &ldquo;FUSS 让我有了 完美接触和学习自由软件重要性的机会 ,我对此心怀感激。&rdquo;


此处 great 修饰 opportunity,而 to approach 和 (to) learn 都是修饰 opportunity 的不定式,因此直译的话 great 在译文中也修饰“机会”。此外,不知道这里有没有可能是 Free Software 充当 approach 和 learn the importance of 的宾语, 而不是 the importance 充当 approach 和 learn 的宾语,前者的词语组合和句意似乎都更合理一些。如果确实是这样,那么我给的供参考的翻译是“接触到自由软件并认识到其重要性的好机会”或者“(有了)好机会来接触到自由软件并认识到其重要性”。

11.

> Public money has been spent to create public value (code, documentation, shared experience) by helping to achieve in the digital sphere the primary goal of the school: the sharing of knowledge.
> 帮助数字星球的学校实现重要目标 :分享知识,我们让公共资金创造公共价值。


我认为原文“in the digital sphere”是指“在数字层面”的意思,“数字星球”可能和原文相差较大。此外,译文里使用冒号似乎显得把“我们让公共资金创造公共价值”也和前面的内容(helping to ...)隔开了。我修改的供参考的翻译是

> 助力在数字层面实现学校的首要目标,即分享知识,公共资金创造了公共价值(代码、文档、共享的经验)。


12.

> In presenting a project plan to your school or school district, in addition to highlighting the ethical reasons and all the technical and economic benefits, emphasize how sustainable digitalization based on free software, open formats, and freely available educational materials improves knowledge sharing, promotes nontraditional educational opportunities, and extends access to students and families that might not otherwise have with proprietary systems.
> 在向学校或学区展示项目时,除了重点说明道德原因、经济益处和技术优势,还需要强调自由软件、开放格式和 自由知识 是可持续的数字化,它们改进知识分享、促进非传统的教育机会以及 扩展学生及家庭的使用 ,这些是专有系统难以企及的优势。


此处“freely available educational materials”译作“自由知识”不知道是否合适。在我的理解中,许多知识(比如微积分)本身是无版权或者不在版权法适用范围内的,人们可以自由地对它们行使自由软件的四项自由;但它们的某一个具体的载体(比如某一本微积分课本)未必自由,这就是 educational materials 的一种。所以我认为此处 educational materials 直译为“教学材料”或“教学资料”等可能会更好。此外,我不太清楚这里 freely available 是否完全就是 free 的意思,如果还想要保持和原文类似的模糊性(假如确实有的话),可以译为“自由可得的教学资料”等。

“扩展学生及家庭的使用”的译文似乎有点拗口,我想的一个版本是“可供更多学生和家庭使用”或者“可被更多学生和家庭使用”。

13.

> Of uttermost importance is training, to help all participants get acquainted and feel comfortable with the new environment.
> 当然,最重要的是培训,帮助所有参与者熟悉并 自信 地使用新环境。


此处“自信”似乎与原义不符?我想到一个可能的意译是把“自信”改成“满意”。

14.

> <a href="#ref1-rev" id="ref1">1.</a> <a href= "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Tyrol">South Tyrol</a> in Wikipedia.
> <a href="#ref1-rev" id="ref1">1.</a> 维基百科的 <a href= "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Tyrol">南 Tyrol</a>。


此处是否要把连接换成中文维基百科下对应的词条?<a href= "https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8D%9A%E5%B0%94%E6%89%8E%E8%AF%BA-%E4%B8%8A%E9%98%BF%E8%BF%AA%E6%9D%B0%E8%87%AA%E6%B2%BB%E7%9C%81">博尔扎诺-上阿迪杰自治省</a>

郭俊余 <hagb>
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Thu 13 Jun 2024 02:41:48 AM UTC, comment #1: 

Hi, hagb:

Would you like to review it? This is an interesting report。

The file is committed into www and www-zh-cn.

Wensheng XIE <wxie>
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Fri 07 Jun 2024 11:25:56 AM UTC, original submission:  
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