Mon 31 Oct 2016 02:57:17 PM UTC, comment #12:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Kazakh_latin_alphabet_%281931%29.JPG suggests that the comma form was used in the Kazakh Arabic alphabet too. It is worth investigating whether there are any languages that actually prefer the dammah form.
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Mon 31 Oct 2016 01:16:05 PM UTC, comment #11:
I have seen that article again, and I found 1950s era typesetting seems has a large influence on modern Uyghur typesetting, making what I have seen in Xinjiang, also, I see another apecial form of hyphen for Uyghur, which looks like underscore, I can see it everywhere in Xinjiang.
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Mon 31 Oct 2016 01:07:10 PM UTC, comment #10:
OK Steve, Uyghur doesn’t uses damma form, when I go to Xinjiang, I see inverted comma form many times when I see Uyghur texts on their shop boards, none of them has damma form. I also see it on some Uyghur restaurants outside of Xinjiang, it seems to me all the native Uyghur fonts use an inverted comma instead of damma.
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Sun 30 Oct 2016 08:28:42 PM UTC, comment #9:
Hi Hsing-yen,
This is a nice page.
Most of the images are of modern writing with modern fonts. These are of less interest.
There is a 1912 image, but I don't see the character at all in it. Had the orthography changed?
One of the images is helpful, the one with a subtitle
圖:1957 年出版的圖書《心愿》(Köngül Arzusi)
In this, a diacritic appears that is in the direction of a comma, but still loooks somewhat lika a damma.
This inclines to more to think this may be a really distinct letter form. I would like to see more examples. I think the Unicode consortium would be, too.
Another interesting question is: does the damma form appear in any Uyghur typesetting? That is, is this a style that appears sometimes, or after a certain point in time, or has it for a long time been a special form used for that language?
In any case, this won't go into FreeFont for a while. I don't want to start with language-specific variants until the next release is out.
So, you have time!
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Sun 30 Oct 2016 04:26:34 PM UTC, comment #8:
Hello Steve,
I found a printing material recently in this article. http://www.typeisbeautiful.com/2016/02/9927/zh-hant/
In this article you can find an Uyghur book Köngül Arzusi which printed in 1957, and you will see it.
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Mon 24 Oct 2016 04:11:57 AM UTC, comment #7:
The 30th Internationalization and Unicode Conference also has an essay about Uyghur language, on this essay you can also find that
http://www.uyghurdictionary.org/excerpts/Waris_Abdukerim_Janbaz_IUC30.pdf
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Mon 24 Oct 2016 02:49:07 AM UTC, comment #6:
Hi Steve,
On ukij.org I found an another material on this form, on this document Uyghur ۇ looks sightly different from Middle East.
https://ug.wikipedia.org/wiki/%DA%BE%D8%A7%D8%B2%D9%89%D8%B1%D9%82%D9%89_%D8%B2%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86_%D8%A6%DB%87%D9%8A%D8%BA%DB%87%D8%B1_%D9%8A%DB%90%D8%B2%D9%89%D9%82%D9%89
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Fri 21 Oct 2016 03:04:51 AM UTC, comment #5:
Hi Hsing-yen,
I don't doubt your story. Nonetheless, we need some documentary evidence.
An image of a book printed before computers, showing this form of the glyph, will be satisfactory. Modern web pages and fonts are insufficient for me -- I don't want to blindly follow a trend.
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Thu 20 Oct 2016 06:56:59 PM UTC, comment #4:
Yeah, I found that too. Since Uyghur alphabet become true alphabet, I think, ۇ is used very common in Uyghur and damma is simplified as comma shaped. And anyway, I think this variant should be intergrated to reflect their tradition.
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Mon 17 Oct 2016 08:21:46 PM UTC, comment #3:
This was just posted in bug 49570:
http://www.ukij.org/fonts/image/2004-1-17_Birlikke_Kelgen_Uyghurche_Herpler_Kod_Jedwili.gif
It shows the comma form.
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Mon 17 Oct 2016 01:59:49 AM UTC, comment #2:
Yes this form is really used in Uyghur, you can it everywhere when you go to Xinjiang, PR China. You can also find it on thier official website.
http://www.xinjiang.gov.cn/
http://uygur.xinjiang.gov.cn/
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Sun 16 Oct 2016 04:46:08 PM UTC, comment #1:
Hello Hsing-yen,
The letter in question is, as I understand it,
06C7 ARABIC LETTER U
In the Unicode Standard chart for Arabic, it appears as a waw with ia damma (U+064F) above. That sign has a hole in it -- it looks somewhat like a 9, not a comma.
So what are you saying?
That when used in Uyghur, the letter takes a different form? If so, please provide evidence of this.
Thanks!
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Sun 16 Oct 2016 04:20:30 PM UTC, original submission:
In the Uyghur word ئۇيغۇر, the letter ۇ looks incrrect in Uyghur, its diacrict should looks like comma shaped, not 9 shaped. cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Uyghurche.png
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