bugGNU Wget - Bugs: bug #20335, "Frobbing...done"...

 
 

bug #20335: "Frobbing...done" considered harmful?

Submitted by:  Micah Cowan <micahcowan>
Submitted on:  Tue 03 Jul 2007 10:01:59 AM UTC  
 
Category: LocalizationSeverity: 3 - Normal
Priority: 4Status: Fixed
Privacy: PublicAssigned to: Giuseppe Scrivano <gscrivano>
Originator Name: Open/Closed: Closed
Release: NoneOperating System: None
Reproducibility: NoneFixed Release: None
Planned Release: 1.15Regression: None
Work Required: 1 - DaysPatch Included: None

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Mon 06 Dec 2010 09:47:58 PM UTC, comment #4:

I expect that "Frobbing" is a placeholder word. The comment exists immediately above the translation for "Connecting to %s:%u...", which would be followed by "done" (except we actually follow it with "connected.", at least currently. It is this manner of phrasing things that I think is being complained about.

I'd like someone to present an example of how this is actually harmful, though. It's not as if "Connecting to blah... done" is exactly one complete sentence; it's more like two, and even if it's not, it can easily be represented as two, in (it seems to me) any language: "In the midst of connecting to blah." "Done connecting".

Perhaps some effort should be made to contact the commentator (that is, the translator for the first .po file in which this comment appears), to try to get a better understanding of what the problem is. Or even the Hebrew translation team at translationproject.org.

On the other hand, I don't have a problem if you just want to close it, and let it come up again if some translator brings it up again. As I said, I'm somewhat skeptical that it was a problem, and I only knew about it anyway by using the gettext tools to print out "comments from the translators" from the translated .po files. If they really cared, seems to me they'd take more effort to bring it to the devs' attention. I don't really know Hebrew, but I do know some basic Hebrew grammar, and I don't really see the problem the translator seems to be getting at.

Or perhaps the problem has even already been resolved; perhaps instead of finishing with "connected.", we actually did use "done." at some point, which might conceivably have caused problems we don't have now (especially if we use "done." in multiple places, for different contexts).

Micah Cowan <micahcowan>
Mon 06 Dec 2010 04:05:58 PM UTC, comment #3:

thanks to have checked it. I can't see "Frobbing" in any source file.

Giuseppe Scrivano <gscrivano>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Sat 04 Dec 2010 06:56:45 PM UTC, comment #2:

There are no po files in trunk anymore, after moving to the Free Translation Project. I don't know how exactly that works, but "Frobbing" also isn't used anywhere in trunk anymore, so perhaps this can be closed.

Jessica McKellar <jesstess>
Tue 03 Jul 2007 10:12:35 AM UTC, comment #1:

FWIW, the hebrew text in the description is, I believe, backwards. ISO-8859-8, IIRC, is in "presentation" order by default (all characters are displayed left-to-right). In Unicode, they have intrinsic direction, which is probably how they got reversed.

Micah Cowan <micahcowan>
Tue 03 Jul 2007 10:01:59 AM UTC, original submission:

From he.po:

# FIXME: this is lame! The method of printing "Frobbing...done" etc.
# does not lend itself to good translations into languages where
# such sentences have a different structure, and should be rethought.
#. Login to the server:
#. First: Establish the control connection.
#: src/ftp.c:150 src/http.c:624
#, c-format
msgid "Connecting to %s:%hu... "
msgstr "%s:%hu-ל תורשקתה ןויסנ"

Micah Cowan <micahcowan>

 

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    Date Changed By Updated Field Previous Value => Replaced By
    Mon 06 Dec 2010 04:05:58 PM UTCgscrivanoStatusNeeds Discussion=>Fixed
      Assigned toNone=>gscrivano
      Open/ClosedOpen=>Closed
    Mon 04 Aug 2008 05:52:15 AM UTCmicahcowanPlanned Release1.12=>1.15
    Wed 01 Aug 2007 04:34:41 AM UTCmicahcowanPriority5 - Normal=>4
    Fri 20 Jul 2007 11:48:13 PM UTCmicahcowanStatusNone=>Needs Discussion
      Work RequiredNone=>1 - Days
    Fri 20 Jul 2007 02:12:46 AM UTCmicahcowanCategoryNone=>Localization
      Planned ReleaseNone=>1.12

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