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206          Specific Comments--          Specific Comments--
207          Abstract: if we build systems structured around things we care about,          Abstract: if we build systems structured around things we care about,
208          would that necessarily help us organise our lives?          would that necessarily help us organise our lives?
209    
210    Ok, need to say somewhere why we believe this would be the case,
211    and refer to that somehow from the abstract.
212    
213        --
214                    
215          Introduction: instead of being centred around files/directories...center          Introduction: instead of being centred around files/directories...center
216          around the things we care about. But surely we will always need to develop          around the things we care about. But surely we will always need to develop
217          abstractions for aggregation? Will they not be similar to directories?          abstractions for aggregation? Will they not be similar to directories?
218    
219    Ok, need to explain what the equivalents are in our system (a group of
220    items related to the same other item through the same property)
221    and explain how they're superior to directories (they're semantic,
222    they're non-hierarchical, they can "contain" any item, not just files,
223    they're not "stored on one disk," you don't have to place items
224    in a particular such aggregate... and this is simply much more
225    general, doing many things that you'd never dream of doing with files).
226    
227          Even in the description of applitudes there are still email bodies (which          Even in the description of applitudes there are still email bodies (which
228          seem remarkably free of items). Are these not 'files'?          seem remarkably free of items). Are these not 'files'?
229    
   
230      Sigh...      Sigh...
231    
232    Well, they're not files, obviously. Are they 'files'?
233    
234    Need to address that.
235    
236        --
237    
238          Section 2, sentence 1: delete comma after "medium"          Section 2, sentence 1: delete comma after "medium"
239          Section 2, para 5: planning should not be capitalised          Section 2, para 5: planning should not be capitalised
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241          user interface paradigm? Why not still have files and directories          user interface paradigm? Why not still have files and directories
242          underneath?          underneath?
243    
   
244      Because it won't really work?      Because it won't really work?
245    
246      Ok, I guess we need to talk about the layers underneath and      Ok, I guess we need to talk about the layers underneath and
247      the reasons for them?      the reasons for them?
248    
249    Need to think about this a bit. The question is: Could we use files
250    for the bodies of documents and e-mails, but relate them not through
251    directories, but a network of items? Perhaps we could. Not saying
252    that we want to, but if we could, we should say so and explain
253    why we particularly chose not to.
254    
255        --
256        
257          Figure 1: the diagram shows 1 item (person) under focus. However, the suer          Figure 1: the diagram shows 1 item (person) under focus. However, the suer
258          may know hundreds of people - dozens with some form of relationship to          may know hundreds of people - dozens with some form of relationship to
259          Carli. Some of the earliest hypertext systems attempted to make use of          Carli. Some of the earliest hypertext systems attempted to make use of
260          similar maps - and failed. Explain why your system won't have the same          similar maps - and failed. Explain why your system won't have the same
261          failings.          failings.
262    
   
263      ? I don't know what systems the referee's referring to.      ? I don't know what systems the referee's referring to.
264      Do you?      Do you?
265    
266    Nope.
267    
268        --
269    
270          Figure 2a: Where are the items *inside* the email? Is the email just a          Figure 2a: Where are the items *inside* the email? Is the email just a
271          file of content? I receive 100 emails a day - convince me that this is a          file of content? I receive 100 emails a day - convince me that this is a
272          useful visualisation!          useful visualisation!
273    
   
274      Need to point out that this is integration...      Need to point out that this is integration...
275    
276    Yes.
277    
278        --
279    
280          Final 2 paragraphs of section 2 - you claim that paper isn't useful to          Final 2 paragraphs of section 2 - you claim that paper isn't useful to
281          help us organise our thoughts, but that a hyperstructure will be. Your          help us organise our thoughts, but that a hyperstructure will be. Your
282          claim seems to rest on the idea that the more interconnections there are,          claim seems to rest on the idea that the more interconnections there are,
283          the more organised everything will be. Is this likely? Convince me that          the more organised everything will be. Is this likely?
284    
285    Bogus. You need to be able to make interconnections at all, and just
286    as many as you need; more isn't better.
287    
288        --
289    
290            Convince me that
291          you have thought this through rather than reciting Nelson's view. Have a          you have thought this through rather than reciting Nelson's view. Have a
292          look at the network diagrams from the early Intermedia papers on the          look at the network diagrams from the early Intermedia papers on the
293          Victorian web.          Victorian web.

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