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bug #40803: ftsfind.1: \- changed to - (hyphen) in the name of an option

Submitted by:  Bjarni Ingi Gislason <bjarniig>
Submitted on:  Wed 04 Dec 2013 03:14:48 PM UTC  
 
Category: documentationSeverity: 3 - Normal
Item Group: NoneStatus: Invalid
Privacy: PublicAssigned to: James Youngman <jay>
Originator Name: Open/Closed: Closed
Release: 4.5.12Fixed Release: None

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Sat 11 Jan 2014 02:23:56 PM UTC, comment #4:

The minus sign is part of the name of the option itself. The symbol in the option name is not a hyphen.

Marking this bug as invalid as that is the closest thing to "this is not a bug".

James Youngman <jay>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Sun 05 Jan 2014 07:01:51 AM UTC, comment #3:

On 2014-01-04 Bjarni Ingi Gislason wrote:
[...]

> The hyphen-glyph is for the correct rendering of an
> English compound word, not the minus-glyph. The '--' (rendered as
> two minus-glyphs) can be looked at as a kind of a prefix, to declare
> the (compound) name as an option.

[...]

> People, that must (know nothing else) use copy-and-paste, should not
> use a command, that produces an output for a(n)
> (equivalent of) printed medium. They should (may, must, shall) use an
> ASCII output, for example from the option '-T ascii' for 'man' (not
> sure) or try 'info ...'. Or type it (learn to type
> with ten fingers) or use methods, that *NIX people have used, if they
> otherwise have to type repeatedly the same (long) command line.


> Using "minus" (-) instead of a 'hyphen-minus' (-) (in a (compound) word) is
> just a pseudo solution. It is based on ignorance.


I disagree quite strongly. Manpages are reference documention - "If you type exactly this then the following will happen". And find does not read/understand hyphens.

Also talking about unix tradition is not relevant here. This is a new problem which did not exist in the ancient days of yore, because terminals at this time could not render a hyphen and used minus signs automatically.

cu Andreas

Andreas Metzler <ametzler>
Sat 04 Jan 2014 08:51:07 PM UTC, comment #2:

>You wrote:
> -.B \-\-without\-fts
> +.B \-\-without-fts


In the mail, that I became, the following (equal) lines were present
(with Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8)

-.B --without-fts
+.B --without-fts

>The proposed change is broken.


It is not for me.

> Find does not uses hyphens in options but minus signs.


The hyphen-glyph is for the correct rendering of an
English compound word, not the minus-glyph. The '\-\-' (rendered as
two minus-glyphs) can be looked at as a kind of a prefix, to declare
the (compound) name as an option. The minus-glyph is more marked (in print,
with proportional fonts) than a hyphen, who is much shorter (in a
proportional font) than a minus.
(The '\-' is the simplest way to get a dash, that is longer than a
hyphen.)

People, that must (know nothing else) use copy-and-paste, should not
use a command, that produces an output for a(n)
(equivalent of) printed medium. They should (may, must, shall) use an
ASCII output, for example from the option '-T ascii' for 'man' (not
sure) or try 'info ...'. Or type it (learn to type
with ten fingers) or use methods, that *NIX people have used, if they
otherwise have to type repeatedly the same (long) command line.

Using "minus" (\-) instead of a 'hyphen-minus' (-) (in a (compound) word) is just a pseudo solution. It is based on ignorance.

Bjarni Ingi Gislason <bjarniig>
Wed 04 Dec 2013 06:11:18 PM UTC, comment #1:

You wrote:
-.B \-\-without\-fts
+.B \-\-without-fts

The proposed change is broken. Find does not uses hyphens in options but minus signs.

http://lintian.debian.org/tags/hyphen-used-as-minus-sign.html

cu Andreas

Andreas Metzler <ametzler>
Wed 04 Dec 2013 03:14:48 PM UTC, original submission:

Change:

\- in the name of an option changed to - (hyphen)

Patch is in the attached file

Bjarni Ingi Gislason <bjarniig>

 

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file #29784:  ftsfind.1.diff added by bjarniig (388B - text/plain)

 

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    Date Changed By Updated Field Previous Value => Replaced By
    Sat 11 Jan 2014 02:23:56 PM UTCjayStatusNone=>Invalid
      Assigned toNone=>jay
      Open/ClosedOpen=>Closed
      Summaryftsfind.1: \\- changed to - (hyphen) in the name of an option=>ftsfind.1: \- changed to - (hyphen) in the name of an option
    Wed 04 Dec 2013 03:14:48 PM UTCbjarniigAttached File-=>Added ftsfind.1.diff, #29784

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