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bug #44086: Error message for "halt" is linguistically incorrect

Submitter:  Ingo Albrecht <promovicz>
Submitted:  Sun 25 Jan 2015 08:23:23 AM UTC
   
 
Category:  None Severity:  3 - Normal
Priority:  5 - Normal Item Group:  None
Status:  Fixed Privacy:  Public
Assigned to:  cph Originator Name: 
Open/Closed:  Closed
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Fri 12 Jun 2020 04:03:57 AM UTC, comment #7: 

Guillermo Rozas, the originator of "Moriturus te saluto," has asked me
to post this message because his Savannah account is gone and he
hasn't been able to reactivate it:

> Hello.  This is Guillermo Rozas, the person who originally wrote
> 'Morituri te saluto'.
>
> Please note that there is an alternate form of 'Murituri te
> salutant', namely 'Morituri te salutamus'.
>
> See, for example,
>
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/morituri%20te%20salutamus
> and
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ave_Imperator,_morituri_te_salutant
>
> Now, I don't claim to be a Latin scholar, having taken only one year
> of Latin in 1977-1978, but it would seem that as the alternate form
> is 1st person plural, the singular 1st person version of 'salutamus'
> would be 'saluto' and hence what I chose at a time when my Latin,
> although rusty, was far less rusty than now.
>
> I knew of both forms, and chose the 1st person form on purpose, as
> it seemed more direct.
>
> But my Latin may have been wrong then.

Arthur A. Gleckler <aag>
Group Member
Thu 11 Jun 2020 06:15:55 PM UTC, comment #6: 

Oh, I forgot to mention that because "moriturus" is the future active participle in nominative masculine singular, it is clear that the verb should be in 3rd person singular, i.e. "salutat". I didn't explicitly mention that, because it's so obvious.

Real Name <msg2scheme>
Thu 11 Jun 2020 06:07:37 PM UTC, comment #5: 

My Latin is not rusty; in fact it is shining as new since the kids also decided to study it in high school.

In short: the change to singular is logical but the translation is wrong. The correct form is: Moriturus te salutat. That is the future active participle in nominative masculine singular afaik. The version as it stands in mit-scheme 10.1.10 is plainly incorrect.

Sorry for being so rude; this is just a fact from Latin grammar, which you can check btw on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_conjugation  No discussion about this. My wife just walked by five minutes ago; I asked her and she confirmed immediately. Really: no discussion, fact of life.

I don't understand this bug stays open. I assume that none of the people maintaining mit-scheme have studied Latin in high school. But that shouldn't be a reason to let this bug lurk around. It should be squashed once and for all.

I, for one, changed the message on my system and recompiled it. I couldn't stand it any longer ;-)

Real Name <msg2scheme>
Wed 01 Apr 2020 05:57:22 PM UTC, comment #4: 

I also happened to realize this. My latin is rusty, and although not technically incorrect, I believe that the exit message should indeed be

> Moriturus te salutat.

Filippo Costa <neysofu>
Tue 24 Feb 2015 08:35:38 PM UTC, comment #3: 

I want my "Happy Happy Joy Joy" back.

Matt Birkholz <mhb>
Group Member
Sun 25 Jan 2015 08:16:07 PM UTC, comment #2: 

Yes, I did understand the change to singular. That seemed quite logical. However, the conjugation of "salutare"/"to greet" is still incorrect.

"saluto" is first person, as in "(ego) te saluto"/"I greet you", so it would be correct to say "ego moriturus te saluto"/"I, who I am about to die, greet you". Here "moriturus" is an adjective, not a noun. Saying "moriturus te saluto" is incorrect because it misses the subject "ego". In "te saluto" it is okay to leave out the "ego" since it is unambiguous and can therefore be implicit.

The famous phrase "Morituri te salutant"/"Those who are about to die greet you", however, is in third person. This is for rhetorical reasons and should be preserved when transforming to singular.

Therefore I would still suggest that "moriturus te salutat" is correct and most adequate.

Ingo Albrecht <promovicz>
Sun 25 Jan 2015 05:38:07 PM UTC, comment #1: 

The original was first person plural because several gladiators would say it simultaneously.  We changed it to singular because we are a single process.

Credit goes to Guillermo Rozas.

http://computer-programming-forum.com/40-scheme/b6b563554a0a15c9.htm

Anonymous
Sun 25 Jan 2015 08:23:23 AM UTC, original submission:  

The current error message for the "halt" error is:

Moriturus te saluto

This is incorrect since "saluto" is first person,
not third person as the famous phrase calls for.

The correct phrase is:

Moriturus te salutat

See http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/salutare for the relevant conjugation table.

Sorry for the pedantry. ;)

Ingo Albrecht <promovicz>

 

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