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bug #44518: Serif: Cyrillic capital U looks ugly than old release

Submitted by:  Hsing-yen He <hammerandsickle>
Submitted on:  Thu 12 Mar 2015 10:03:45 AM UTC  
 
Category: individual character(s)Severity: 3 - Normal
Item Group: glyph(s) uglyStatus: Need info
Privacy: PublicAssigned to: Steve White <Stevan_White>
Open/Closed: OpenRelease: development

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Thu 24 Dec 2015 03:57:19 PM UTC, comment #7:

Seen from this file:
http://ponomar.net/files/kozmin.pdf

I found there is a good sample for what does У looks like.

(file #35850)

Hsing-yen He <hammerandsickle>
Fri 19 Jun 2015 03:40:25 AM UTC, comment #6:

I found File:AlphabetiSerborum 1841.jpg (as comment #2 posted) is more closely to Times faces.

Hsing-yen He <hammerandsickle>
Mon 20 Apr 2015 01:47:18 PM UTC, comment #5:

The glyph of У we have usually seen is based on a little squashed V and the tail of y, as comment #2 shown on. But in FreeSerif the glyph of У you have designed looks bias to right.

Anonymous
Fri 27 Mar 2015 04:05:00 AM UTC, comment #4:

I think TITUS font also set an good example for some glphs in Cyrillic. This font was maintained by Thesaurus Indogermanischer Text- und Sprachmaterialien project, also deriving from the Times faces.

Hsing-yen He <hammerandsickle>
Sun 15 Mar 2015 10:52:21 AM UTC, comment #3:

Hi Hsing-yen,

These are excellent examples, thank you.

On the other side, this change wasn't made lightly. At the time, I had access to a library with a lot of older Russian texts, and I spent some hours comparing different types. (I no longer have access to that library, and I don't know if I made photos... probably not.) I saw considerable variation in styles of Russian type, and at the time, I thought the change was justified.

I take your opinion seriously, too, and I'll consider this more.

Steve White <Stevan_White>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Sat 14 Mar 2015 05:18:37 PM UTC, comment #2:

Well, I found a image which is scanned from Srpske narodne pjesme , when I compare with it I found У in FreeSerif is obviously different from it, the ball on the tail looks not good-looking.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:AlphabetiSerborum_1841.jpg

Another scanned image can also prove it.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Reformed_Serbian_Alphabet.jpg

Hsing-yen He <hammerandsickle>
Fri 13 Mar 2015 04:51:34 PM UTC, comment #1:

In what respect is the glyph "ugly"? This is simply the statement of an emotional reaction, and completely subjective. Please state in exactly what way it strikes you as being wrong.

There were two small changes to Cyrillic U made.
As I recall, it was in response to another reporter, who felt it wasn't right the way it was in the 2012 release. I can double-check. But if it was indeed another user's opinion, you will need to make a much stronger argument. For example you might show images of various printed documents. (Again, we are not interested in comparisons with modern computer fonts.)

The changes consist of:
1) bending the letter slightly to the left, for better balance.
2) making the ball on the tail a little heavier, again for balance.
I recall that without these, in many combinations the letter looked almost as if it were disconnected from its word, even after as much kerning as I could stand.

In any case, your opinion is important to us!

Steve White <Stevan_White>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Thu 12 Mar 2015 10:03:45 AM UTC, original submission:

Hi Steve,

I found in the newest revision of FreeSerif, Cyrillic U looks not good-looking than 2012-05-03 release (as [//www.gnu.org/software/freefont/ranges/Cyrillic.html range sample] shown on).

Hsing-yen He <hammerandsickle>

 

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